Below are the next three questions in my mind-expanding conversation with Meredith Miller. We discuss emancipation from mental slavery; building immunity to coercion; why our efforts to wake people up fail; collectivism; and shame.
I appreciate this conversation. It's been a hard few years trying to navigate my partner and my family unwilling / unable to wake up. Horribly lonely and frustrating that I can't help.
Profound. However, I suspect this analysis applies more to 2020 up to mid-2021 than to now. Those who were injected may be experiencing biological barriers to thinking straight and seeking the truth. These barriers would include biological trauma, toxicity and deprivation which can be neurological, genetic, oncogenic, autoimmune and so on. When a person is damaged like that, thinking straight becomes a more difficult burden to overcome.
This has been so helpful for me to understand narcissistic abuse recovery. I stopped trying to convince Covidian's with facts, data, and truth a long time ago. Those folks are addicted to their cognitive dissonance. They will or won't come around without my input. Sounds detached, cold, and unfeeling. It sort of is exactly those things because I have no dominion over their choices.
What I have dominion over are my choices and I have to take responsibility for my life. I have been a "victim" of a narcissistic abuse and made poor choices over and over again for years. Once I finally looked inward and understood my part in the "dance," I said farewell to victimhood. Too many narcissists in my life because it was all very familiar.
They say you have to hit rock bottom in order to change. I am not sure about that, but I am sure when the pain gets so severe, you come to a fork in the road. Decisions have to be made one way or another. I was participating in the narcissistic dysfunction for years! Shoving emotions, feelings, abuse, and hurt into tiny little compartments.
Maybe I can thank the Covidian's for making me crazy, insane trying to convince them to see the truth.
I am grateful for this dialogue. It has helped me through another phase of understanding. Thank you.
I just finished Q&A 5. Waking up the Covidians is real challenge. Alcoholics, at some level know they need to stop drinking but, can’t. They suffer loneliness struggling with their addiction. Covidians have other Covidians. Their Group Think reinforces their beliefs. They are not aware at any level that they are under the Covidian spell. They believe ( at least in my Covidian Community), that the non Covidians (the Awakened) are the problem. That non Covidians, at best, are inferior people.
Freedom, like slavery, is as much a state of mind as a state of being. It is possible to be legally free, yet have no freedom of action whatsoever. And it is possible to be legally a slave and yet to be free in defiance of those restrictions. External coercion alone does not make a man free or slave, slavery is a state of mind. Surrounded by willing slaves who preach the creed of slavery, we must speak truth to advance freedom. TY for refusing to live by lies.
Great Q&A. My opinions: Not possible to break another out of the vaccine panacea delusion, the effort increases their resistance. Everyone knew it was an experiment, experiments are inherently risky. People did some calculus and chose the gamble, hoping for the best, in other words they actively chose denial when they could have chosen to do some serious research before consent. I don't have a right to hide a bottle of whiskey from an alcoholic, and it wouldn't solve anything if I did. We do have a right to do an intervention on a child or our child. There are mRNA EXPERIMENTAL shots in the works for H5N1 bird flu. If G-o-F makes the virus transmissible from human to human, they will have manufactured a virus far more lethal than covid. Sans alternative protections, the majority will take the shots. We have a duty to protect ourselves and our children. We can do no more than that, as much as we wish it were otherwise.
I would not count on any apologies or awakenings whatsoever. I have reached people with tacit assent and that's as good as you're going to do. Silent agreement is just fine. Sometimes good is good enough.
This is exactly why the authorities made it a moral choice. By doing so they bypassed cognition for the normies. By default, this made for an easy jump to portraying those who took the "wrong" moral choice as those who were unable to empathize or to think about what was good for the "common good" (which btw is always a fallacy - there is no such thing) - when in actuality we were the folks who were empathetic
Simple but brilliant.
How would you feel if you made the wrong moral choice because you offshored your thinking based on a psyop?
I wonder how you'd feel if you found that out after you thought you were morally superior?
You might not want to know....let alone admit it. This is why there will be no apologies. I think that must be "accepted", but that doesn't mean we must remain close to these people. I have reconciled with a few people but it will always be between us...it'll never be the same.
But you’re downplaying the significant impact you’ve had—don’t forget the friend’s father you saved from his booster, and he in turn woke up his wife, followed by their kids … and grandkids. You have had more success at opening people’s eyes than most people out there.
Thanks Margaret. Yeah I think I should clarify; I have had moderate success (maybe a little better) with the two shot and done crowd.
For those who shunned and shamed, zero, because of exactly what I said above. They are opportunity cost that could've been spent on those you're likely to have more success with.
We were persecuted and yet we are the ones who must try to understand why they did that, and to forgive them, despite them not caring about our experience of being forced to live as a pariah.
And wasn't that the toughest part of resisting?:
Knowing up-front that's how it would end.
Given that I felt like my only objective was to make sure the people who could be reached understood how DANGEROUSLY close we were to a scenario where servitude would be strictly objective.
And guess what those are the only people that could help us from preventing this abomination from happening again.
That was always my biggest concern if we didn't reach them then the zealots would be more than happy to give it another go around because to them, WE are the virus.
I accepted that and that I'd rather be shamed than be a coward. But more than anything, I did not want to be ashamed of myself with my children if I did not stand up.
Delegates to the 77th World Health Assembly Please help to identify the contact info for the people who are purportedly "representing" your nation at the 77th World Health Assembly. Customize the template email and send it to all of them. https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/delegates-to-the-77th-world-health Here's my list. Nuremberg 2.0 Public Trial Begins vs Top 100 Wanted for Covid Crimes Against Humanity Chief Justice presents the evidence on their Most Wanted posters for printing and distribution where legal and lawful. https://nuremberg2.substack.com/p/nuremberg-20-public-trial-begins
At a Memorial Day family gathering, it was disturbing to see so many still suffering from covid brain fog. It seems they have been mentally enslaved to consider nothing apart from what the news and medicine tells them.
The conversation briefly drifted to covid and I pretty much stayed on the sidelines and listened to what others were saying. The next pandemic appears to be alive and well and ready for full implementation without much resistance, from what I saw.
For the past three years we have been providing information about Covid, early treatment, and the vaxx. Many of our members, who are mostly but not all from our local community here in Truth or Consequences, NM, have expressed frustration and sadness about the way we have been treated by people who we previously considered bulwarks of our spiritual community, and also frustration that we cannot seem to reach our loved ones with the truth. Ms. Miller's wisdom about these very issues is healing for me and will be healing , I believe for many of our group members.
I see some"Chicken Little" and some game of "Telephone" embedded in the evolution of narrative subscribers' found attitudes. (The analogies are obvious.) For some busied people curiosity ends with belief. Once fully subscribed to a particular perspective, that "settled" or "established" truth is difficult to dislodge, especially in the context of conformity bias. Also at play here is "exclusionary detailing" which has been so widespread over the past 4 years any enlightening discussion today would entail not just review but a lot of additional information for the friend, subject, relative, whomever, to absorb. (Remembering what Orwell had to say about this; "The most powerful form of lie is the omission")
The subject's incredulity must also be overcome. Mainstream media are "credible" by default i.e. they have longevity, convenience, widespread acceptability and a "brand". (It always slays me when I see teleprompter readers "interviewed" on comedy shows after being greeted by applause. Applause for what?) If I am the messenger, I am ,by the subject's definition, an outcast and an object of ridicule and scorn; why, in their eyes, would I be a candidate for their redeeming?
Epiphanies do mightily occasionally happen. I agree. However, given the profound qualities of what the personnel ( how else to refer to them?) around me have sacrificed for a false god of " the larger good" it is difficult for me to envision prevailing in any efforts at persuasion in the meantime.
Brilliant insights, john, and you’re right about the difficulty of dislodging beliefs. I’ve been listening to audiobooks by Norman Doidge on neuroplasticity, and one phrase he keeps repeating is “Neurons that fire together wire together.” The mind manipulators know this formula well and use constant repetition of slogans to program people’s brains with the “current thing.”
I have read some of your conversations with Meredith before, but this Conversation #1 has really hit home for me. I didn’t experience any direct sexual abuse, but there is a legacy of sexual abuse with my Mother and my Aunt that was perpetuated on them by their father. My grandfather also brought that ‘sexual abuse’ legacy along with him from his childhood being at a Catholic Boarding school with the priests, and possibly things happened within his large German family growing up in Kansas.
My pattern was to become involved with narcissistic people, both in romantic partnerships and friendships, with the first primary ‘relationship’ being with my mother. When I was very young I was so totally enmeshed with her, and then as I got older I became my own person and began to pull away, from her ‘narcissistic clutches’. That lasted until she was well into her 80’s but I finally resolved that within myself and with her. She passed away in 2021 at 89.
But it didn’t stop me from being involved with narcissistic (in varying degrees) men in romantic relationships over the course of my adult life. The gaslighting, the giving and giving and not getting it back in any ‘equitable’ way, the codependency. It even showed up in my long time friendships I had. Always giving, and them sucking it all up, but getting little back in return.
I finally figured it all out big time with the last ‘romantic’ relationship I was in from June 2022 to December 2024.
It was my “Ah Hah’ moment’, in December, when I realized that all the projection and blame that was laid on me through all the blaming and shaming, had nothing to do with me and ‘My Truth’, and was all about THEM. That this pattern of “attraction and involvement” with these men, was no longer serving me.
Over the past almost 6 months, have done a lot of releasing through prayer, meditation, and rituals to let go of that pattern I had in relationships and friendships that no longer serves me. Meredith’s Conversation #1 solidified it all for me. Thank you.
Wow, Frontera. Thank you for this brave, vulnerable, and wise comment. I am proud of you for recognizing the pattern you were stuck in and breaking out of that. What extraordinary courage and strength it takes to do that.
After my brush with narcissistic abusers last year (one documented here: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/how-to-be-an-upstander), I studied the topic extensively in a desperate attempt to make sense of the crazy-making behavior. I found these books especially helpful. You may find them valuable on your healing and empowering journey:
Ironically I have “The Sociopath Next Door” but I haven’t read it. I will check out the others. I was involved with two narcissistic type personalities, over the past 23 years…the first one was a live in relationship for 21 years and then the more recent one was a long distance one (Idaho - California) that I mention in my comment. There was too much ‘deja vu’ in both of them. Thankfully I recognized it in the second, more recent relationship, after only 18 months, not 22 years!
“Most of the doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists went into the New Normal cult“ these are the people that wanted Alex jones gone! Btw Alex was selling a methocobalabin B-12 which those dr says in psychology today magazine that b-12 cures 40% of psychological disorders but those same people were prescribing Fl med is sin as chemical lobotomies!!’
I appreciate this conversation. It's been a hard few years trying to navigate my partner and my family unwilling / unable to wake up. Horribly lonely and frustrating that I can't help.
Profound. However, I suspect this analysis applies more to 2020 up to mid-2021 than to now. Those who were injected may be experiencing biological barriers to thinking straight and seeking the truth. These barriers would include biological trauma, toxicity and deprivation which can be neurological, genetic, oncogenic, autoimmune and so on. When a person is damaged like that, thinking straight becomes a more difficult burden to overcome.
This has been so helpful for me to understand narcissistic abuse recovery. I stopped trying to convince Covidian's with facts, data, and truth a long time ago. Those folks are addicted to their cognitive dissonance. They will or won't come around without my input. Sounds detached, cold, and unfeeling. It sort of is exactly those things because I have no dominion over their choices.
What I have dominion over are my choices and I have to take responsibility for my life. I have been a "victim" of a narcissistic abuse and made poor choices over and over again for years. Once I finally looked inward and understood my part in the "dance," I said farewell to victimhood. Too many narcissists in my life because it was all very familiar.
They say you have to hit rock bottom in order to change. I am not sure about that, but I am sure when the pain gets so severe, you come to a fork in the road. Decisions have to be made one way or another. I was participating in the narcissistic dysfunction for years! Shoving emotions, feelings, abuse, and hurt into tiny little compartments.
Maybe I can thank the Covidian's for making me crazy, insane trying to convince them to see the truth.
I am grateful for this dialogue. It has helped me through another phase of understanding. Thank you.
I just finished Q&A 5. Waking up the Covidians is real challenge. Alcoholics, at some level know they need to stop drinking but, can’t. They suffer loneliness struggling with their addiction. Covidians have other Covidians. Their Group Think reinforces their beliefs. They are not aware at any level that they are under the Covidian spell. They believe ( at least in my Covidian Community), that the non Covidians (the Awakened) are the problem. That non Covidians, at best, are inferior people.
Thank you for these astute observations, Jpeach. The analogy of addicts surrounded by enablers is spot on.
Thank you for this pleasant & gentle Memorial Day read.
Grateful to know you appreciated it, Kathlean!
Freedom, like slavery, is as much a state of mind as a state of being. It is possible to be legally free, yet have no freedom of action whatsoever. And it is possible to be legally a slave and yet to be free in defiance of those restrictions. External coercion alone does not make a man free or slave, slavery is a state of mind. Surrounded by willing slaves who preach the creed of slavery, we must speak truth to advance freedom. TY for refusing to live by lies.
Great Q&A. My opinions: Not possible to break another out of the vaccine panacea delusion, the effort increases their resistance. Everyone knew it was an experiment, experiments are inherently risky. People did some calculus and chose the gamble, hoping for the best, in other words they actively chose denial when they could have chosen to do some serious research before consent. I don't have a right to hide a bottle of whiskey from an alcoholic, and it wouldn't solve anything if I did. We do have a right to do an intervention on a child or our child. There are mRNA EXPERIMENTAL shots in the works for H5N1 bird flu. If G-o-F makes the virus transmissible from human to human, they will have manufactured a virus far more lethal than covid. Sans alternative protections, the majority will take the shots. We have a duty to protect ourselves and our children. We can do no more than that, as much as we wish it were otherwise.
Beautiful. I love the directness and clarity that somehow does not dilute nuance or reduce complexity. It's so helpful reading this, thank you both.
Those are meaningful words coming from a poetic writer whose work exhibits both beauty and nuance, Kathleen! 🌼
So kind, MAA.🙏😘
Exactly this. Well done MM and MMA.
I would not count on any apologies or awakenings whatsoever. I have reached people with tacit assent and that's as good as you're going to do. Silent agreement is just fine. Sometimes good is good enough.
This is exactly why the authorities made it a moral choice. By doing so they bypassed cognition for the normies. By default, this made for an easy jump to portraying those who took the "wrong" moral choice as those who were unable to empathize or to think about what was good for the "common good" (which btw is always a fallacy - there is no such thing) - when in actuality we were the folks who were empathetic
Simple but brilliant.
How would you feel if you made the wrong moral choice because you offshored your thinking based on a psyop?
I wonder how you'd feel if you found that out after you thought you were morally superior?
You might not want to know....let alone admit it. This is why there will be no apologies. I think that must be "accepted", but that doesn't mean we must remain close to these people. I have reconciled with a few people but it will always be between us...it'll never be the same.
Absolutely nailed it, Ryan.
But you’re downplaying the significant impact you’ve had—don’t forget the friend’s father you saved from his booster, and he in turn woke up his wife, followed by their kids … and grandkids. You have had more success at opening people’s eyes than most people out there.
Thanks Margaret. Yeah I think I should clarify; I have had moderate success (maybe a little better) with the two shot and done crowd.
For those who shunned and shamed, zero, because of exactly what I said above. They are opportunity cost that could've been spent on those you're likely to have more success with.
We were persecuted and yet we are the ones who must try to understand why they did that, and to forgive them, despite them not caring about our experience of being forced to live as a pariah.
And wasn't that the toughest part of resisting?:
Knowing up-front that's how it would end.
Given that I felt like my only objective was to make sure the people who could be reached understood how DANGEROUSLY close we were to a scenario where servitude would be strictly objective.
And guess what those are the only people that could help us from preventing this abomination from happening again.
That was always my biggest concern if we didn't reach them then the zealots would be more than happy to give it another go around because to them, WE are the virus.
I accepted that and that I'd rather be shamed than be a coward. But more than anything, I did not want to be ashamed of myself with my children if I did not stand up.
Delegates to the 77th World Health Assembly Please help to identify the contact info for the people who are purportedly "representing" your nation at the 77th World Health Assembly. Customize the template email and send it to all of them. https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/delegates-to-the-77th-world-health Here's my list. Nuremberg 2.0 Public Trial Begins vs Top 100 Wanted for Covid Crimes Against Humanity Chief Justice presents the evidence on their Most Wanted posters for printing and distribution where legal and lawful. https://nuremberg2.substack.com/p/nuremberg-20-public-trial-begins
I found this article deeply resonant. Thank you Margaret Anna Alice for exploring these questions. Feeling kindred spirits here.
At a Memorial Day family gathering, it was disturbing to see so many still suffering from covid brain fog. It seems they have been mentally enslaved to consider nothing apart from what the news and medicine tells them.
The conversation briefly drifted to covid and I pretty much stayed on the sidelines and listened to what others were saying. The next pandemic appears to be alive and well and ready for full implementation without much resistance, from what I saw.
Thank you for this post. I have posted excerpts with a link to the full post, on our Facebook group site, ADVOCATES FOR EARLY TREATMENT; link here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/512787866695392
For the past three years we have been providing information about Covid, early treatment, and the vaxx. Many of our members, who are mostly but not all from our local community here in Truth or Consequences, NM, have expressed frustration and sadness about the way we have been treated by people who we previously considered bulwarks of our spiritual community, and also frustration that we cannot seem to reach our loved ones with the truth. Ms. Miller's wisdom about these very issues is healing for me and will be healing , I believe for many of our group members.
How wonderful to know Meredith’s words were healing for you, Haruhuani, and I hope they will help many others thanks to your generous sharing.
I see some"Chicken Little" and some game of "Telephone" embedded in the evolution of narrative subscribers' found attitudes. (The analogies are obvious.) For some busied people curiosity ends with belief. Once fully subscribed to a particular perspective, that "settled" or "established" truth is difficult to dislodge, especially in the context of conformity bias. Also at play here is "exclusionary detailing" which has been so widespread over the past 4 years any enlightening discussion today would entail not just review but a lot of additional information for the friend, subject, relative, whomever, to absorb. (Remembering what Orwell had to say about this; "The most powerful form of lie is the omission")
The subject's incredulity must also be overcome. Mainstream media are "credible" by default i.e. they have longevity, convenience, widespread acceptability and a "brand". (It always slays me when I see teleprompter readers "interviewed" on comedy shows after being greeted by applause. Applause for what?) If I am the messenger, I am ,by the subject's definition, an outcast and an object of ridicule and scorn; why, in their eyes, would I be a candidate for their redeeming?
Epiphanies do mightily occasionally happen. I agree. However, given the profound qualities of what the personnel ( how else to refer to them?) around me have sacrificed for a false god of " the larger good" it is difficult for me to envision prevailing in any efforts at persuasion in the meantime.
Brilliant insights, john, and you’re right about the difficulty of dislodging beliefs. I’ve been listening to audiobooks by Norman Doidge on neuroplasticity, and one phrase he keeps repeating is “Neurons that fire together wire together.” The mind manipulators know this formula well and use constant repetition of slogans to program people’s brains with the “current thing.”
I have read some of your conversations with Meredith before, but this Conversation #1 has really hit home for me. I didn’t experience any direct sexual abuse, but there is a legacy of sexual abuse with my Mother and my Aunt that was perpetuated on them by their father. My grandfather also brought that ‘sexual abuse’ legacy along with him from his childhood being at a Catholic Boarding school with the priests, and possibly things happened within his large German family growing up in Kansas.
My pattern was to become involved with narcissistic people, both in romantic partnerships and friendships, with the first primary ‘relationship’ being with my mother. When I was very young I was so totally enmeshed with her, and then as I got older I became my own person and began to pull away, from her ‘narcissistic clutches’. That lasted until she was well into her 80’s but I finally resolved that within myself and with her. She passed away in 2021 at 89.
But it didn’t stop me from being involved with narcissistic (in varying degrees) men in romantic relationships over the course of my adult life. The gaslighting, the giving and giving and not getting it back in any ‘equitable’ way, the codependency. It even showed up in my long time friendships I had. Always giving, and them sucking it all up, but getting little back in return.
I finally figured it all out big time with the last ‘romantic’ relationship I was in from June 2022 to December 2024.
It was my “Ah Hah’ moment’, in December, when I realized that all the projection and blame that was laid on me through all the blaming and shaming, had nothing to do with me and ‘My Truth’, and was all about THEM. That this pattern of “attraction and involvement” with these men, was no longer serving me.
Over the past almost 6 months, have done a lot of releasing through prayer, meditation, and rituals to let go of that pattern I had in relationships and friendships that no longer serves me. Meredith’s Conversation #1 solidified it all for me. Thank you.
Wow, Frontera. Thank you for this brave, vulnerable, and wise comment. I am proud of you for recognizing the pattern you were stuck in and breaking out of that. What extraordinary courage and strength it takes to do that.
After my brush with narcissistic abusers last year (one documented here: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/how-to-be-an-upstander), I studied the topic extensively in a desperate attempt to make sense of the crazy-making behavior. I found these books especially helpful. You may find them valuable on your healing and empowering journey:
• In Sheep’s Clothing
• 5 Types of People Who Can Ruin Your Life
• The Narcissist’s Playbook
• The Covert Passive-Aggressive Narcissist
• The Sociopath Next Door
• Don’t You Know Who I Am?
Ironically I have “The Sociopath Next Door” but I haven’t read it. I will check out the others. I was involved with two narcissistic type personalities, over the past 23 years…the first one was a live in relationship for 21 years and then the more recent one was a long distance one (Idaho - California) that I mention in my comment. There was too much ‘deja vu’ in both of them. Thankfully I recognized it in the second, more recent relationship, after only 18 months, not 22 years!
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“Most of the doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists went into the New Normal cult“ these are the people that wanted Alex jones gone! Btw Alex was selling a methocobalabin B-12 which those dr says in psychology today magazine that b-12 cures 40% of psychological disorders but those same people were prescribing Fl med is sin as chemical lobotomies!!’