I spent Easter Sunday sparring with a Covidian on Twitter. It started out with a debate on my tweet announcing Are You a Good German or a Badass German?
Thought you guys might appreciate that Coach Kocurek just kindly shared (https://twitter.com/CoachKocurek/status/1516270630584389634) this link about personality traits that make you more likely to join a cult—talk about an epic lack of self-awareness 🤣
Wow, this describes you & your fellow Covidians perfectly, John! Thank you, I will add this to my collection. You may recognize yourself in this one as well:
Interesting discussion. I have long since decided against arguing with brainwashed narcissists online anymore. They are immune…to facts and logic. And they argue for sport, often not really believing their own BS. Not worth the effort.
Madame, it really is as simple as this: Once someone becomes emotionally invested in their position, it is nearly impossible to convince them that it is wrong. There are too many psychological blocks for them to confront their own mistake.
People like John will NEVER consider your evidence, regardless of where it comes from, or its validity. He is on the other side, and he gains his identity from that...period.
We, on the other hand, will read their studies with a willingness to extract truth, if it lies buried in there somewhere. However, we will pick those same studies apart with an open eye for the deception placed within.
As a final thought, he was a little too dismissive with the comment about your ability to "understand" medical things without a degree. That was unacceptable. My IQ is somewhere around 30 pts higher than any MD that I know. I do not need one of their degrees to understand their language or to read their studies. I suspect that you do not either.
Yet again, not a person who has an argument to make, or who would ever intend to make one. It's always slogan-chanting and cheap shots. This person stole time from you.
MAA: What’s nonspecific about 1,226,312 adverse reaction reports, including 26,976 deaths to the CDC?
Or about Pfizer clinical trial data showing 1,223 deaths, 158,000 adverse events, and 1,291 side effects in the first 90 days?
JOHN: Adverse effects happen anytime you stimulate an immune response. That’s been known and is largely accepted as a reasonable risk because whichever disease you’re protecting about is gonna have even worse adverse effects. This is basic vaxx science.
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Right here is where John reveals that data is not going to work on his brain.
This is the juncture that he diverts off the road into purely motivated reasoning.
He has constructed and airtight defense: No matter how bad things are with the exp. drugs the disease is "gonna have even worse adverse effects."
This is a person all in on a structure of logic. ^This is the person that will lay dying or bury a loved one and say, "It would have been worse if they didn't get the jab(s)."
He needs to believe it and he seeks you out to wrestle with his own cognitive dissonance.
In this debate, err..."debate", John is using you, MAA, to stand in for what he knows down deep in some corner of his mind.
Covidians are mentally damaged. I am not sure there is a turn around for them. They either respond with anger and call you a stupid FB, or accuse you of reading garbage. I have a few of these people in my family (brother and sister in law)
My Sister is mildly covidian but she is an RN with a masters (I am just a measly RN) and she does have a brain. She is a follower though, just to go along. Mean time, she is suffering over the past two years of psoriasis and arthritis. New developments and taking some new drugs for them My daddy is an obedient covidian but he just goes along. He is 98 and lived through so many filthy dirty times, most memorable as a POW for the Nazi's - after the war he walked home from Holland. He was 19 and was like an animal living on the land walking back home to Rotterdam.
If you have any medical common sense, you know this entire virus was a bioweapon to get rid of Trump. The masking and remdezavier are the greatest means of spreading, the spike shots just helped it evolve.
Respectfully, I found this more infuriating than entertaining and your effort had no apparent impact at all. Unless you did this purely to entertain yourself, it was a spectacular waste of time.
He was clearly only galvanized in his views by the exchange and now smugly considers himself victorious against an anti-science quack- a "housewife in Oregon, " as he so offensively put it.
Was your purpose here to put him on display for others? I'd genuinely love to understand what you feel this accomplished.
Apr 19, 2022·edited Apr 19, 2022Liked by Margaret Anna Alice
Amazing exchange. He firebombed rhetorical statements while you calmly destroyed each projectile in flight with laser precision. The attempted insults designed to arouse an emotional response are the tell that this was an attempted takedown to satisfy unmet psychological needs, not an exploration in truth. You deftly deflected his jabs and avoided his attempted leg swipes, all while cataloging a treasure trove of excellent supporting evidence.
Apr 19, 2022·edited Apr 19, 2022Liked by Margaret Anna Alice
Another thought: the witch trials in German lands ended after about 200 years. The major reason they ended was a book called ‘Cautio Criminalis’ published in 1636 by a Jesuit named Friedrich von Spee. Spee had been confessor to numerous accused witches and was horrified by what he witnessed. In the book he relates how he asked the judges on many occasions what it would take for an accused witch to be declared innocent. The answer was always silence. An accused witch was a convicted witch was an executed witch.
A variation of this might be useful. What would it take for a Covidian to change his mind?
At the very least the answer would root out complete wastes of time likes this exchange.
Apr 19, 2022·edited Apr 20, 2022Liked by Margaret Anna Alice
What you ought to have said to John from the get-go, "M.A.", is that he was (/is) confusing the "virus" with the "vaccine", claiming that it is supposedly the virus that's killing so many, and that that's what he thinks the adverse effect and death data CONCERNING THE "VACCINE" is referring to, the results of the "virus", not the "vaccine". Or his addled, brainwashed "brain", because of cognitive dissonance and not being able to handle the truth (thank you Jack Nicholson!), arbitrarily and/or automatically substituted data to his "argument" that didn't apply to it, but ONLY applied to "vaccine" data. Somebody that far gone likely won't accept the truth about these lethal mRNA "vaccines" even when tons of unequivocal evidence comes out about hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths, and several million adverse reactions, figures that are usually very much on the low side. They'll probably still blame that data on the "virus". "Rhetorically-questioning", how do you reason with that? You can't. No one can. But we have a duty to keep trying to wake them up, so we carry on.
We can keep trying to wake these deeply conditioned, indoctrinated and programmed people up, but most of them will choose not to. They prefer lies as "truth", and to make truth out to be "lies". They would make the perfect "Winstons" for the New World Order's "1984" army. And they would sell out those who are truly awake, and are truthtellers, in a heartbeat. They can't stand truth. It rocks their boat. From their POV, real truth threatens so much of their "raison d'etre", their entire "rationale" for their very existence, so no truth may enter due to living in fear, unconsciously at least, that facing such truth would destroy them; when, in actuality, the falsehoods will destroy them (but they can't see that of course). Even when their arguments don't make any sense, and/or they're contradicting themselves, they can't even recognize that. Their avoidance and denial of truth is too strong. So they convince themselves, and try to convince others, that their lies, self-contradiction and senselessness are "accurate", "meaningful" and "nothing but the 'truth'". Real, unequivocal insanity.
I wouldn't waste my time with someone like that. I have a friend, who will remain my friend, but it's a waste of time when he argues countries the US has invaded and bombed, invited us to do so, and that the US in inherently moral. SMH.
Pretty funny that he self flagellates by reading MAA's stack with utter cultlike devotion. Super fan John. Such a weird universe. Mount a camera outside your house. The Ashland comment would have ended it for me. Your response brought a smile to my face.
Thought you guys might appreciate that Coach Kocurek just kindly shared (https://twitter.com/CoachKocurek/status/1516270630584389634) this link about personality traits that make you more likely to join a cult—talk about an epic lack of self-awareness 🤣
https://www.bustle.com/p/if-you-exhibit-these-9-personality-traits-youre-more-likely-to-join-a-cult-9432374
To which I responded:
Wow, this describes you & your fellow Covidians perfectly, John! Thank you, I will add this to my collection. You may recognize yourself in this one as well:
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/signs-you-are-in-a-cult
I don't have time to chit-chat but appreciate the resource! Good luck with your deprogramming.
Interesting discussion. I have long since decided against arguing with brainwashed narcissists online anymore. They are immune…to facts and logic. And they argue for sport, often not really believing their own BS. Not worth the effort.
Please send him a copy of my “Covid lies” document.
Madame, it really is as simple as this: Once someone becomes emotionally invested in their position, it is nearly impossible to convince them that it is wrong. There are too many psychological blocks for them to confront their own mistake.
People like John will NEVER consider your evidence, regardless of where it comes from, or its validity. He is on the other side, and he gains his identity from that...period.
We, on the other hand, will read their studies with a willingness to extract truth, if it lies buried in there somewhere. However, we will pick those same studies apart with an open eye for the deception placed within.
As a final thought, he was a little too dismissive with the comment about your ability to "understand" medical things without a degree. That was unacceptable. My IQ is somewhere around 30 pts higher than any MD that I know. I do not need one of their degrees to understand their language or to read their studies. I suspect that you do not either.
You are a saint for continuing that conversation. I have lost all patience with people like that who are 100% closed to hearing truth.
"...housewives in Oregon."
Yet again, not a person who has an argument to make, or who would ever intend to make one. It's always slogan-chanting and cheap shots. This person stole time from you.
MAA: What’s nonspecific about 1,226,312 adverse reaction reports, including 26,976 deaths to the CDC?
Or about Pfizer clinical trial data showing 1,223 deaths, 158,000 adverse events, and 1,291 side effects in the first 90 days?
JOHN: Adverse effects happen anytime you stimulate an immune response. That’s been known and is largely accepted as a reasonable risk because whichever disease you’re protecting about is gonna have even worse adverse effects. This is basic vaxx science.
----------
Right here is where John reveals that data is not going to work on his brain.
This is the juncture that he diverts off the road into purely motivated reasoning.
He has constructed and airtight defense: No matter how bad things are with the exp. drugs the disease is "gonna have even worse adverse effects."
This is a person all in on a structure of logic. ^This is the person that will lay dying or bury a loved one and say, "It would have been worse if they didn't get the jab(s)."
He needs to believe it and he seeks you out to wrestle with his own cognitive dissonance.
In this debate, err..."debate", John is using you, MAA, to stand in for what he knows down deep in some corner of his mind.
Ask John if men can get pregnant
Covidians are mentally damaged. I am not sure there is a turn around for them. They either respond with anger and call you a stupid FB, or accuse you of reading garbage. I have a few of these people in my family (brother and sister in law)
My Sister is mildly covidian but she is an RN with a masters (I am just a measly RN) and she does have a brain. She is a follower though, just to go along. Mean time, she is suffering over the past two years of psoriasis and arthritis. New developments and taking some new drugs for them My daddy is an obedient covidian but he just goes along. He is 98 and lived through so many filthy dirty times, most memorable as a POW for the Nazi's - after the war he walked home from Holland. He was 19 and was like an animal living on the land walking back home to Rotterdam.
If you have any medical common sense, you know this entire virus was a bioweapon to get rid of Trump. The masking and remdezavier are the greatest means of spreading, the spike shots just helped it evolve.
I could go on. I will end here
This was entertaining to read.
"Hope your kids start talking to you again." What a jerk.
I don't care if the Covidians I once knew ever speak to me again. I almost hope they don't since I can no longer trust them.
If they cut you out of their lives remember that only horrible, toxic abusers act that way.
Respectfully, I found this more infuriating than entertaining and your effort had no apparent impact at all. Unless you did this purely to entertain yourself, it was a spectacular waste of time.
He was clearly only galvanized in his views by the exchange and now smugly considers himself victorious against an anti-science quack- a "housewife in Oregon, " as he so offensively put it.
Was your purpose here to put him on display for others? I'd genuinely love to understand what you feel this accomplished.
Amazing exchange. He firebombed rhetorical statements while you calmly destroyed each projectile in flight with laser precision. The attempted insults designed to arouse an emotional response are the tell that this was an attempted takedown to satisfy unmet psychological needs, not an exploration in truth. You deftly deflected his jabs and avoided his attempted leg swipes, all while cataloging a treasure trove of excellent supporting evidence.
Another thought: the witch trials in German lands ended after about 200 years. The major reason they ended was a book called ‘Cautio Criminalis’ published in 1636 by a Jesuit named Friedrich von Spee. Spee had been confessor to numerous accused witches and was horrified by what he witnessed. In the book he relates how he asked the judges on many occasions what it would take for an accused witch to be declared innocent. The answer was always silence. An accused witch was a convicted witch was an executed witch.
A variation of this might be useful. What would it take for a Covidian to change his mind?
At the very least the answer would root out complete wastes of time likes this exchange.
Edit: misspelled witch several times
What you ought to have said to John from the get-go, "M.A.", is that he was (/is) confusing the "virus" with the "vaccine", claiming that it is supposedly the virus that's killing so many, and that that's what he thinks the adverse effect and death data CONCERNING THE "VACCINE" is referring to, the results of the "virus", not the "vaccine". Or his addled, brainwashed "brain", because of cognitive dissonance and not being able to handle the truth (thank you Jack Nicholson!), arbitrarily and/or automatically substituted data to his "argument" that didn't apply to it, but ONLY applied to "vaccine" data. Somebody that far gone likely won't accept the truth about these lethal mRNA "vaccines" even when tons of unequivocal evidence comes out about hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths, and several million adverse reactions, figures that are usually very much on the low side. They'll probably still blame that data on the "virus". "Rhetorically-questioning", how do you reason with that? You can't. No one can. But we have a duty to keep trying to wake them up, so we carry on.
We can keep trying to wake these deeply conditioned, indoctrinated and programmed people up, but most of them will choose not to. They prefer lies as "truth", and to make truth out to be "lies". They would make the perfect "Winstons" for the New World Order's "1984" army. And they would sell out those who are truly awake, and are truthtellers, in a heartbeat. They can't stand truth. It rocks their boat. From their POV, real truth threatens so much of their "raison d'etre", their entire "rationale" for their very existence, so no truth may enter due to living in fear, unconsciously at least, that facing such truth would destroy them; when, in actuality, the falsehoods will destroy them (but they can't see that of course). Even when their arguments don't make any sense, and/or they're contradicting themselves, they can't even recognize that. Their avoidance and denial of truth is too strong. So they convince themselves, and try to convince others, that their lies, self-contradiction and senselessness are "accurate", "meaningful" and "nothing but the 'truth'". Real, unequivocal insanity.
I wouldn't waste my time with someone like that. I have a friend, who will remain my friend, but it's a waste of time when he argues countries the US has invaded and bombed, invited us to do so, and that the US in inherently moral. SMH.
Pretty funny that he self flagellates by reading MAA's stack with utter cultlike devotion. Super fan John. Such a weird universe. Mount a camera outside your house. The Ashland comment would have ended it for me. Your response brought a smile to my face.