In Greek mythology Cassandra is given the gift of prophecy but cursed because no one will believe her. In one version she warns the Trojans to beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Dealing with narrative believers is akin to being a Cassandra. Beware of governments bearing vaccines.
Interesting and pleasant exchange, but obviously CA's husband is cemented by the narrative. Two jabs and three bouts of Covid, and he still thinks the jabs are safe and effective? WOW.
Your repeated acknowledgment and appreciation of his perspective was so kind and respectful... and can serve as an example (speaking to myself here as much as anyone else) for all of us. I find it incredibly difficult to not get exasperated when someone is defending utter senselessness, which is pretty often these days (see exchange with CAH). You did it beautifully.
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Good to see a whole collection of irrefutable arguments against the genocide!
While I found the format ("challenge") a bit surprising, I understand that this way it is a documentation of specific people's responses, which also functions as interviews and reports on the current situation in a specific manner, making it all the more authentic.
During the last 32 months, everything has been pointing in the same direction and fit into a single frame, but somehow, quite a few people are unable or unwilling to see it.
When it all started, I tried on a muzzle for 10-15 seconds and decided that it was a submission/torture/toxic device, a direct attack on my life and on my existence as a human being. I decided that even if there was a "pandemic" that kills 98% of all people, I would prefer to take my chances, because I did NOT want to live the way the rulers had decided for me.
As opposed to what you suggest at the beginning in your excellent article, I preferred to believe my eyes, because it was MY decision about MY life.
Next, I saw that nobody was dropping like flies in the streets and in several months, starting with December, 2019, I never heard even a single cough in public. By August, 2020, I checked mortality rates in the US, Canada, Britain, Germany, Sweden, and Hungary, and FEWER-than-usual people were dying (despite the killings in hospitals and nursing homes). There was no "pandemic."
I found the official narrative despicable and obviously serving the globalist-technocrats' genocide/global control agenda. The propaganda was deafening and it was based on humiliation and intimidation, so it was hard to resist. I remember my wife and I being the only unmuzzled customers in stores most of the time; I shook hands with the six people who were not wearing a muzzle during that period and told them it was good to see some sanity left in a world gone insane.
Apart from the muzzles and the sooner-or-later-lethal injections, the "tests" were also direct attack on life: they humiliatingly and painfully poked deeply into the subject's nose within an inch from the fear center, collected DNA samples, installed nanotechnology (graphene oxide), and sometimes broke the blood-brain barrier, causing severe conditions and even deaths.
What we're seeing is the acceptance within the general population that viruses and bacteria are the sole cause of disease. This appeals to the logical mind because it provides a specific enemy to focus on and simple specific measures that will mitigate the danger. The fact the model is horribly flawed doesn't matter as long as everyone believes it. Just yesterday I overheard a parent teaching their very young child this model and the consequences. The child was told not to ever touch and public surfaces, nor to get too close to anyone. If a surface was inadvertently touched, to wash her hands as soon as possible. If you believe the allopathic model this advice makes sense. It will drastically hinder the child's exploration of the world and inhibit greatly her interaction with other humans, but that is entirely the intent, is it not?
This is great and I am so pleased you did get this feedback. It pretty much consistent with the conversations I have personally led with the proponents of the current narrative.
And thank you for the shout out and allowing me to share your post!
Excellent work. I'm wondering why his wife didn't take Vitamin D? There seems to be a lot more evidence for it than for Vitamin C. Also, she seems a bit young for the ICU. Did she have comorbidities?
Thankful that CAH took the time to respond as best he could. It takes some courage to have your beliefs questioned and he exhibited more courage than most of my closest friends I’ve known for decades which won’t even peek at a link or an email I send them let alone expose themselves to sharp questions backed up by stats.
First, I confess I did not read the entire article. In fact, I could not get past the first couple of questions. Why? Because the way the discussion seems to have progressed (based on the linearly written presentation), I would conclude that CAH would quickly decide he's under attack, not in a discussion.
That's based on my personal experience trying to persuade folks to change their mind over my (long) lifetime. It simply doesn't work effectively.
To persuade someone, I have to address their specific replies, one at a time, slowly... 1-2 facts per reply. I have to probe to get them to provide more information on the foundation of their beliefs before pushing really hard with the data you have. I found that asking "why?" and "what would you say about this?" works for one specific item at a time.
I have never seen deeply held beliefs changed in any other way than above... slowly, with patience, details provided a little at a time. I would be surprised if the "firehose" data transmission strategy were effective.
Just my experience. YMMV. We *do* need the discussions!
Imagine still believing in the possibility of "good leaders", Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy past the age of 30 or so. I was one of the slow ones, I didn't start waking up to the inherent evils of governments until my 40s. There may be hope for this guy, particularly since his wife is awake.
I found this almost as frustrating as having live conversations. Changing the subject constantly and never really backing up his arguments. just nonsense and lazy thinking.
Good on CA for staying married though. I wouldn't have been able to!
Dialogue with a Narrative Believer
“Narrative Believer” sounds better than “Idiot.”
In Greek mythology Cassandra is given the gift of prophecy but cursed because no one will believe her. In one version she warns the Trojans to beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Dealing with narrative believers is akin to being a Cassandra. Beware of governments bearing vaccines.
Interesting and pleasant exchange, but obviously CA's husband is cemented by the narrative. Two jabs and three bouts of Covid, and he still thinks the jabs are safe and effective? WOW.
Your repeated acknowledgment and appreciation of his perspective was so kind and respectful... and can serve as an example (speaking to myself here as much as anyone else) for all of us. I find it incredibly difficult to not get exasperated when someone is defending utter senselessness, which is pretty often these days (see exchange with CAH). You did it beautifully.
Thank you for the work you do.
Good to see a whole collection of irrefutable arguments against the genocide!
While I found the format ("challenge") a bit surprising, I understand that this way it is a documentation of specific people's responses, which also functions as interviews and reports on the current situation in a specific manner, making it all the more authentic.
During the last 32 months, everything has been pointing in the same direction and fit into a single frame, but somehow, quite a few people are unable or unwilling to see it.
When it all started, I tried on a muzzle for 10-15 seconds and decided that it was a submission/torture/toxic device, a direct attack on my life and on my existence as a human being. I decided that even if there was a "pandemic" that kills 98% of all people, I would prefer to take my chances, because I did NOT want to live the way the rulers had decided for me.
As opposed to what you suggest at the beginning in your excellent article, I preferred to believe my eyes, because it was MY decision about MY life.
Next, I saw that nobody was dropping like flies in the streets and in several months, starting with December, 2019, I never heard even a single cough in public. By August, 2020, I checked mortality rates in the US, Canada, Britain, Germany, Sweden, and Hungary, and FEWER-than-usual people were dying (despite the killings in hospitals and nursing homes). There was no "pandemic."
I found the official narrative despicable and obviously serving the globalist-technocrats' genocide/global control agenda. The propaganda was deafening and it was based on humiliation and intimidation, so it was hard to resist. I remember my wife and I being the only unmuzzled customers in stores most of the time; I shook hands with the six people who were not wearing a muzzle during that period and told them it was good to see some sanity left in a world gone insane.
Apart from the muzzles and the sooner-or-later-lethal injections, the "tests" were also direct attack on life: they humiliatingly and painfully poked deeply into the subject's nose within an inch from the fear center, collected DNA samples, installed nanotechnology (graphene oxide), and sometimes broke the blood-brain barrier, causing severe conditions and even deaths.
At this point, the damage has been done:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/still-thinking-about-the-vials
The psy-op is taking new steps:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-imprisoned-mind-from-fear-and
Can the injected be helped?
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/any-hope-for-the-injected-orfor-that
All eyes must focus on the globalists' ultimate weapon:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/circumventing-the-cbdc
The technocrats have at least one thing in common with the commoners:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-the-elite-and-the-unwashed-peasants
What we're seeing is the acceptance within the general population that viruses and bacteria are the sole cause of disease. This appeals to the logical mind because it provides a specific enemy to focus on and simple specific measures that will mitigate the danger. The fact the model is horribly flawed doesn't matter as long as everyone believes it. Just yesterday I overheard a parent teaching their very young child this model and the consequences. The child was told not to ever touch and public surfaces, nor to get too close to anyone. If a surface was inadvertently touched, to wash her hands as soon as possible. If you believe the allopathic model this advice makes sense. It will drastically hinder the child's exploration of the world and inhibit greatly her interaction with other humans, but that is entirely the intent, is it not?
CA's husband will see more and more of these vax injured as they are starting to get more courage https://rumble.com/v1z8h5q-govt-criminally-ignoring-vax-injured-living-in-hell-on-earth.html
This is great and I am so pleased you did get this feedback. It pretty much consistent with the conversations I have personally led with the proponents of the current narrative.
And thank you for the shout out and allowing me to share your post!
He started to realize that 2 shots and then 3 COVID infections pretty much says it all…
…it was then that he “ran out of time”
Excellent work. I'm wondering why his wife didn't take Vitamin D? There seems to be a lot more evidence for it than for Vitamin C. Also, she seems a bit young for the ICU. Did she have comorbidities?
Thankful that CAH took the time to respond as best he could. It takes some courage to have your beliefs questioned and he exhibited more courage than most of my closest friends I’ve known for decades which won’t even peek at a link or an email I send them let alone expose themselves to sharp questions backed up by stats.
First, I confess I did not read the entire article. In fact, I could not get past the first couple of questions. Why? Because the way the discussion seems to have progressed (based on the linearly written presentation), I would conclude that CAH would quickly decide he's under attack, not in a discussion.
That's based on my personal experience trying to persuade folks to change their mind over my (long) lifetime. It simply doesn't work effectively.
To persuade someone, I have to address their specific replies, one at a time, slowly... 1-2 facts per reply. I have to probe to get them to provide more information on the foundation of their beliefs before pushing really hard with the data you have. I found that asking "why?" and "what would you say about this?" works for one specific item at a time.
I have never seen deeply held beliefs changed in any other way than above... slowly, with patience, details provided a little at a time. I would be surprised if the "firehose" data transmission strategy were effective.
Just my experience. YMMV. We *do* need the discussions!
"Narrative believer." Pretty mild and polite for the harm all of these morons did to society.
Imagine still believing in the possibility of "good leaders", Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy past the age of 30 or so. I was one of the slow ones, I didn't start waking up to the inherent evils of governments until my 40s. There may be hope for this guy, particularly since his wife is awake.
I found this almost as frustrating as having live conversations. Changing the subject constantly and never really backing up his arguments. just nonsense and lazy thinking.
Good on CA for staying married though. I wouldn't have been able to!
Instinct is important.
Who would eat food from unknown sources given to them by strangers?
Our primitive ancestors must have been quite cautious when it came to eating nuts, berries, and mushrooms, which is why we are here today.
"Think of it as poison until you know it's safe." This is what instinct says.