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Visceral Adventure's avatar

You and Ariel had a powerful exchange and I’m gobsmacked that it didn’t lead to a positive ripple effect. In war, the pacifists gate hated on from both sides.

I know it my bones that if the people of the Middle East can reconcile, it will be the greatest achievement in our common evolution as a civilization. The solution to that conflict will be the model for any conflict thereafter. We simply need to turn away from war. War. Such a short word. Only three letters and yet a destructive open chasm of a wound that swallows life whole or in part, but whatever it spits out remains hallow anyway. War read backwards is raw. A raw suffering. Thank you for including me in this powerful post. Grateful for you Margaret.

Mary Poindexter McLaughlin's avatar

Your creative talents shine in this one, Tonika. Excellent work in service of a deeply noble objective. Brava!

Seeds's avatar

The picture of the little "Jewish" girl and "Arab" boy speaks truth and is worth a thousand words.

However, it may not tell the whole truth.

Like the story of the fox and the hound, some conflicts are implicitly irresolvable.

Culture is perhaps the infusion of spirituality into everyday life.

Some cultures are implicitly incompatible.

If these cultures stay within their own boundaries, well and good.

Try to mix them and the chemistry is explosive!

If one culture seeks to invade and cancel another culture, then there will be fireworks!

The roots of the problem are probably moral.

All living together in peace and harmony, in some kind of multi-racial, all inclusive morality utopia, is a false dream.

This is the poisonous fruit of the "human rights regardless" movement.

Moral responsible people respect the human rights of others.

Immoral and irresponsible people do not.

Moral, responsible people can live together in peace and harmony.

Immoral and irresponsible people cannot, even among themselves.

Immoral people will always violate the rights of others and inevitably cause conflicts.

Utopia without moral accountability is a deception.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Thank you for these provocative observations, Seeds. The unattainable concept of utopia has been the sheep’s clothing for the totalitarian wolf for millennia, from Plato’s tyrannical “Republic” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/my-croatian-weekly-hrvatski-tjednik) to Sir Thomas More’s “Utopia” to every fascist and communist regime of the twentieth century and beyond.

There is a difference between mixing and living peaceably and respectfully side by side, which has been achieved in Israel in the past according to Ariel’s own observations as well as those of Palestinians such as a sixteen-year-old girl named Sara, who said of life before the recent war:

“Life was good. Even though it wasn’t luxurious, we were content. We could go out and about, and family gatherings were something special.” (https://web.archive.org/web/20250408173808/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wars-toll-on-gazas-children-60-minutes/)

I wish I could remember where I saw this recently, but someone made the astute point that tolerance must be extended generously for society to function—up to the point of intolerance. For if the tolerant tolerate the intolerant, their open-minded thinking will soon be subsumed by the more aggressive close-minded attitude.

Andrew Bard Schmookler explores this conundrum in his book “The Parable of the Tribes,” where he asks:

“Imagine a group of tribes living within reach of one another. If all choose the way of peace, then all may live in peace. But what if all but one choose peace?”

AJoy's avatar

👏👏👏👏

Steve Martin's avatar

Hi Margaret.

Just finishing a few days of getting my new laptop set up, and catching up on some reading. Great compilation of what self-selecting authorities don't want us to see and know.

While cleaning up my software last night, I had the boob-tube turned to one of the movie channels here in Japan, and half watched the 2008 remake of the 1951 Sci-Fi classic, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" ... and couldn't help but to think that if I were still in the classroom teaching Comparative Culture, that would be a good movie for Japanese college kids to deconstruct ... particularly regarding the acknowledgement of the destructive side of human nature. While psychopaths and other Cluster B's walk among us, it appears that the more neurotypical aspirations and responses to concentrations of power and authority over others are the greatest threat to humanity and life on earth in general.

But the movie brought out something that has long puzzled me about that fuzzy line between "art" and "entertainment". While the writers, actors, director, and other artists involved in the project may be consciously trying to tell us something important ... for all too many, that message will forever remain buried in the subconscious, if at all. Actors attractive enough to catch our attention, the storytelling skills necessary to keep it, and the A.I. / computer graphics used to maximize the verisimilitude (and box office sales) seem to conspire entertain and flood our senses at the expense of enhancing our critical thinking skills for what lies within.

For those who have been struggling with the forever-war of humanity against its own worst nature, the movie can inform and interweave as easily with our daily thoughts and conversations as lilies on a stream. But for those still caught up in the zero-sum games of what we were taught as conventional definitions of 'success', the movie is just another diversion from our naively self-centered task of looking after number one ... just another disposable piece of entertainment.

As through the voice of Flora Purim ... people see want they want to see. Or maybe, what they are ready to see?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrNFO-eowxI

My quandary is how, or if, people can be nudged to a tipping point of looking beneath the glossy surface. Those never ending layers down the rabbit hole ... never ending, like a mandelbrot fractal. But at least some of us, some of the time, may have the capacity to see deep enough to recognize and avert impending dangers. Rather bluntly, the movie says that only at the precipice of disaster can we change ... with the implication that some may not. I guess that is one path of growth towards moral autonomy and maturity.

A couple of Japanese I admire say something similar ... Suzuki Daisetsu's take on Zen (something I wrote about 10 years ago ... https://www.quora.com/What-do-modern-Japanese-think-of-Zen?topAns=15737515), and currently still alive and kicking, Kang Sang-Jung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Sang-jung ... particularly his book, "Naiamu Chikara". I disagree with the Wiki translation and suggest it is closer to "The Power of Profound Personal Confusion" ... something narcissistic authoritarians every where fear. Both Daisetsu (pre war Kyoto University) and Sang-Jung (Tokyo University a few years ago) have paid the price by being marginalized by the powers that be.

Cheers Margaret, and much thanks for keeping up the good fight and in style.

Steve

Red-Pilled ER Nurse's avatar

That was Devastating.

And I couldn't even take it all in at once.

I have to come back and breathe in the concepts

And breathe out the words

Close my eyes and steep my soul in the shadows

Of the images as they dim into darkness.

Is it unfair to call it Epic?

I think not.

So much potency in one share.

Bless You Margaret Anna Alice for keeping your feet underneath you, your eyes open and your word making organs stoked.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Goodness, Red-Pilled ER Nurse. Thank you for the gift of your deep attention and lyrical, heartful words. I am grateful for your wise, compassionate presence here and in the larger world.

Red Pill Poet's avatar

Great stuff!

Here's some more ... https://redpillpoems.substack.com/p/the-road-to-war-is-paved-with-lies ... and https://redpillpoems.substack.com/p/war-glorious-war

It's amazing how consistently spot-on and relevant Orwell and Huxley were and are.

With respect to your back and forth with Ariel, I must say — as one who has much less — your patience is quite astonishing.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Haha, thank you, Red Pill Poet, and both of those sharply observed poems make potent companion pieces to this article!

Red Pill Poet's avatar

Yes, I thought so.

We speak the truth. It's all we can do. Getting others to absorb it, is something entirely beyond our control. We do what we can. Thanks MAA!

BTW, being unfamiliar with “wavs” — in your opening gem of a poem — I had to do a quick check to confirm it wasn't a typo. (I thought you might get a half chuckle out of it.)

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Indeed, RPP, that is the challenge!

Haha, thank you for sharing that tidbit about “wavs.” I had a feeling some people might think that (the clue is in the “mastering”) so commend you for taking the extra step to research it :-)

Hugh McCarthy's avatar

A tremendous compassionate piece of work.

The more I look, the more I see lies, money,power and intentionality---as you say, mistakes are not made--it's just we are being fed a narrative about what we are allegedly trying to achieve.

What does an arms company need? what does a pharmaceutical company need? I will believe their motives when they and their sons fight.

Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

Margaret, I applaud your sentiment and intentions. As usual. However, I believe in this case Ariel has raised issues that have gone unacknowledged. As someone who has a long time interest in peacemaking, I believe there are variables here that escape sufficient inspection. One of my mentors, who has logged more hours in actual peacemaking than anyone quoted herein, shared with me his view of Hamas. After thirteen years of trying, he believes Hamas cannot be brought to peace. Hearts are hardened beyond renewal. Aside from his comment, my own view is that there are certain types of hate, certain types of evil, that transcend mundane analysis. Hamas fits within that realm. This is evil of a spiritual nature that will not resolve with mundane, worldly efforts. This is evil that takes all the normal human desires for peace and understanding and mocks them with horror. This is the type of evil that will torture innocents, intentionally, to enjoy watching your pain and suffering and emotional meltdown. This is the type of evil that must be met in a realm few know and that even fewer can access. Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now expresses it with, "The horror, the horror." This type of evil feeds hungrily off most human emotions, the expressions of hope and love, as if they were a quaint delicacy. When bloody evil derives such satisfaction from the sympathetic outcries, from the pain and longing for peace, you are working in a new realm. A place few can even contemplate.

Deborah Gregson's avatar

Few people understand this. They don't understand the spiritual war, they don't understand the depraved Satanic evil that grips the souls of some people, they don't understand the generations of deep-seated hate, and they don't understand Biblical prophecy. Not believing in God's Word, in the truth of the Old and New Testament, they aren't prepared for having a basis for understanding the entire truth about what is happening in the Middle East, the politics among the countries, and, more importantly, the religious warfare involved. This is more a spiritual and religious war than one between countries, and without understanding that, people will keep thinking that "loving others, being thoughtful and kind" will solve the problems.

It's not just the leaders of governments who create war. The first act of violence was when Cain killed Abel because he was jealous, which was an act of war. He wanted what Abel had. There will never be peace on Earth as we know it because people are human and imperfect. We should strive to be better and try to be kind, loving, forgiving, and peaceful. But in the end, we are all fallible, and ticking off the wrong person can lead to violence, which can lead to war.

God told the Israelites that there was a time for war, and when they went to war with their enemies, they were to destroy them, including women, children, crops, and animals. He made it clear that their enemies were to cease being a threat to them as a nation, both spiritually, morally, and physically. Deut. 20:16-18, "However, in the cities of the nations that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that they cannot teach you to do all the detestable things they do for their gods, and so cause you to sin against the LORD your God.…"

Joshua 6:21, "With the edge of the sword they devoted to destruction everything in the city—man and woman, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys." 1 Samuel 15:3, "'Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

"Thou shalt not murder" Ex. 20:13 (ratsach רָצַח in Hebrew, meaning murder v. kill, to distinguish from killing in war or capital punishment).

I stand with Ariel. I stand with Israel.

Taming the Wolf Institute's avatar

While I agree with the observation that spiritual war is afoot in the world today, we disagree somewhat on the meaning and details of that war. Unlike you, I find fault with OT theology; after all, the disagreement that Jesus had with OT theology, voiced to the Sadducees at trial, led to his crucifixion. Most people forget that it was a theological disagreement that led to the cross. Jesus taught a new theology, a new covenant, and as long as people are confused by that change, there will be war, spiritual war. Christians still need to understand the move from OT to NT and set aside that which brought about the crucifixion. When it came to a testament regarding which theology was more accurate, the Resurrection ended the discussion.

Bob, the Free Radical's avatar

Look up "WAR IS A RACKET" . . . . .

Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

Thank you, Margaret for using your considerable gifts and precious time on such worthwhile - essential - projects.

A powerful collaboration of human voices, who have seen through the 'how they do it' illusion.

May its reach cover our globe and stir ready-souls.

Love is with you, Universe is with you. 💕

Mary Poindexter McLaughlin's avatar

Beautifully, said, Kathleen. I agree one hundred percent! Blessings on all truth-tellers and peace-makers, now and forever. xox

Andi Vendetta West's avatar

It always looked way more like it was shot from a turret on one of those C-130 gunships - Ghostrider- Mostly because they have the same turret and the way it’s rapidly circling the kill zone. The sideways motion would be way harder and way more noticeable from the ground for the Apache than the ghostrider. I mean, it’s still murder but I figure they lie about everything else..

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Jean-Sebastien Savard's avatar

i counted 14 pass and saw the gorrilla! means i am owning the test with 90% at least =) sweet

i dont like the first video tho, trumaniste and madisonian is a way of dividing the camp under two political leader and its as worst as trumpist Qanon and woke biden nowaday.

But i freaking love the picture with the girl and the boys of different faith not caring at all about it. Also george orswell quote, kinda makes the victim the culprit, and its part of the game i guess.

Talking bout game, the picture and quote with the chess board is revelant, but even more if we add the fact that we play a chess game with rules of checkers to us and chess to them. In fact we dont play the game, we are the piece of it. They play the game, and for us who thinks we play it too.... we playing checkers full limited on another fictional chessboard whilst they move us where they want to. aint that awefully worst. lol i think so.

Xingyi's avatar

There was another such incident that it seems most people don’t know about or forgot about. It was entitled, “Apache vs Farmer” and showed the slaughter of farmers by an Apache crew in the fields of their farm.

William Jeffreys's avatar

Thank you for this. You are doing good work.

Iron Fist's avatar

Dying for the deep state is just plain stupid.

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

My brother hasn't spoken to me since the War in Ukraine broke out. I said to him that there are no good actors in this war. I was saying to him what Daniel Alec Zeck was saying in this article. On top of my refusal to have anything to do with Covid mRNA injections he just could not cope with me. I tried to talk to him my opinion of the wars has not changes since I (and he) did not participate in the Vietnam war. I asked him "what has changed." He said he never wanted to talk to me again. I said I respect his desire and won't initiate conversation, but if he ever changes his mind, I am here.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Your ethical consistency across the decades is a testament to your integrity, Swabbie Robbie, and your willingness to reopen dialogue with your menticided brother is a further example of your compassion and character. I am so sorry you lost that relationship and hope you have an opportunity to reconcile before it's too late.

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

Thank you, and thank you for this article. We really need to stand with the people not the governments.

Today my wife showed me a video of a song (talking blues style) by Bob Dylan called Murder Most Foul on the assassination of JFK Published on March 27, 2020. His song reminded me of your poetry and and your poems set to music, I think you will like it.

https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18.

Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Wow, thank you for sharing that mournful meditation. I’m listening to it now. Sounds like he’s challenging the official narrative, which is a big step for a high-profile figure.

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

Dylan - still the rebel after so many sold out for the fame and the money, the diamonds and rust.

I see the people he said to sing for or play for as a tapestry of our lives, of the music and films that formed a background we lived in. Great and not great. By our discernment it makes us who we are.